{"id":1611,"date":"2015-10-04T14:37:02","date_gmt":"2015-10-04T12:37:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/goldendawnwatch.org\/?p=1611"},"modified":"2015-11-18T13:05:33","modified_gmt":"2015-11-18T11:05:33","slug":"day-18-they-were-looking-to-make-a-kill-and-they-did","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/goldendawnwatch.org\/en\/trial\/day-18-they-were-looking-to-make-a-kill-and-they-did\/","title":{"rendered":"DAY 18. \u201cThey were looking to make a kill and they did\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\"><b>18th Hearing, Women\u2019s Section, Korydallos Prison, Athens, 2 October 2015<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>1. Court access<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The hearing reconfirmed that the police\u2019s new policy is to grant access to any interested citizen provided they display their identity cards. The courtroom was packed. Regarding the prospect of a change of venue, the matter was sidelined once again.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>2. Presence and representation of the defendants<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Twelve defendants were present at the beginning of the hearing. The defendants Konstantinos Korkovilis and Athanasios Tsorvas appeared at 11.04am, two hours into the hearing. Nine defendants were absent. The remaining defendants were, for the most part, represented by their counsel; counsels who were absent at the beginning of the hearing were substituted by their colleagues. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>3. Statements from the defence<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The hearing began with a statement by Dimtra Velentza, counsel for Thomas Barekas, Aristotelis Chrysafitis, Elpidoforos Kalaritis, Ioannis Kazantzoglou, Nikos Kouzilos and Theodoros Stefas. She referred to the publicity and media coverage the trial had received. She complained that witness testimonies have been leaked to the press, the result of which is that subsequent witnesses are aware of the content of previous witness testimonies. She proceeded to ask the presiding judge to ensure that all those present in the courtroom display their identity cards and demanded that there be no live coverage of the trial. Moreover, she asked that the court not allow photographs to be taken of the defendants or their counsels. Specifically, she said \u201cthe defendants do not want photographs and nor do we\u201d. The presiding judge responded that \u201cthe court has decided to allow some photographs, provided they do not interfere with the proceedings\u201d. The atmosphere inside the courtroom was already tense, given that immediately before the discussion, defence counsels Vasilis Oplantzakis and Panagiotis Michalolias had implied that the cameras in the courtroom were secretly videotaping the trial rather than simply photographing it. The presiding judge rebutted them: \u201cIf you are certain of the existence of a video of the proceedings, you can submit a complaint,\u201d she said <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>4. Magda Fyssa\u2019s testimony<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Magda Fyssa, the mother of Pavlos Fyssas, was the second witness called to give evidence. Given that the court has barred sound recordings, we have attempted to reproduce Ms Fyssa\u2019s testimony with the greatest possible accuracy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Magda Fyssa:<\/b> <i>So, I will begin from 17 September, at 5.30pm. I saw him; we said hello. He was on his way to his friend Giorgos\u2019 for coffee with his girlfriend [Chrysa]; from there they would go somewhere to watch the match together. It was one of the few times he had arranged to watch a match without his father. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Did he live with you?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Yes, but that night I was going to stay at my daughter\u2019s place and I was going to see him the following morning. I never saw him again. At around 2am the buzzer rang. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Was it a phone or a buzzer?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>A phone. My husband called my daughter from her brother-in-law\u2019s phone. He told her to open the door. I understood then that something terrible had happened. He looked shaken. He said, \u201ceverything is ok. Pavlos had an accident; he\u2019s at the hospital and asking for you.\u201d I knew somethign terrible had happened, but I didn\u2019t think he was dead. I asked him, \u201cIs that all? Is that all our life was?\u201d<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>He didn\u2019t reply. It began to dawn on me. I got into the car and my daughter\u2019s brother-in-law drove me. It must be serious, I thought. We got to the hospital. I saw people outside: friends, family. I ran inside and found two doctors. One of then was crying. She was crying but wouldn\u2019t tell me why. I started pulling the curtains aside to see what had happened. The other doctory gave me a pill and told me the truth. <\/i>\u201c<i>Pavlos is gone.\u201d I said, <\/i>\u201c<i>how is that possible?\u201d He told me Pavlos had been stabbed in the heart by Golden Dawn. And he said, <\/i>\u201c<i>Be patient; They\u2019ve caught the guy.\u201d And that the stab wounds had been professionally delivered and that the doctors could not have saved him even had he been stabbed right outside the hospital.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>At 5.30pm that day I was speaking with my child and at 3am he was lying, stabbed, in the morgue. But my child was not afraid \u2013 those of you who think you scared him, I\u2019m telling you, he was not afraid. He just went to sleep. He was an angel. I tried to warm him up. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>The next day, we left the hospital and I tried to find out what had happened from Chrysa [Pavlos\u2019 girlfriend]. Two difficult days and then we found out what had happened. We spent two days collecting information, trying to piece it all together. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Your son\u2019s age? Physique? Profession?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Thirty-four, 1.75 meters; he was well-built. He worked odd jobs, as a mechanic, an electrician, a concert organiser. But his main interest was music. He wasn\u2019t involved in party politics. He didn\u2019t belong to a party. He spent years working on his music \u2013 sometimes professionally. He wrote music and lyrics. His music was antiracist and antifascist. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Did his music ever bring him into conflict with people? Did he ever tell you that something had happened at a concert? <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>No. He wasn\u2019t that kind of boy. He never mentioned anything in particular. No. He never told me about anything like that. Besides, even if something had happened, he would have dealt with it with words, alone. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Are you employed?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>I was a seamstress. Now I\u2019m unemployed.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What did Chrysa say to you? Were they in a relationship?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Yes; they had been together for two years and they lived together for long stretches of time. They were looking for somewhere to watch the match and, given their usual hangout was packed, they decided to keep a table at Koralli for later. They booked a table there, went for a walk and came back a little later for the game. Nine friends ended up meeting there: first, the three of them (Pavlos, Giorgos and Chrysa) and another six arrived at half-time: Melachrinopoulos, Xypolitos, Mantas, Lina, Christos, Pakiotis and others. They had never been there before. Chrysa told me that no one started a fight inside Koralli. But when they walked out of the place, they saw 20 people, wearing black shirts, combat trousers and boots, gathered at the intersection of Pavlou Mela and Kefallinias streets. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Were they holding anything?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>They were holding batons, crowbars and other things. Also, I should mention that at the same time, two police bikes were stationed at the next intersection, of Kefallinias and Tsaldari streets. Four policemen were standing right there. The kids saw Golden Dawn on one side and the police on the other. And a guy in the middle \u2013 I\u2019ll call him \u201cthe middleman\u201d \u2013went up to the kids and said, \u201cdon\u2019t be afraid, I\u2019ll sort this out\u201d. Pavlos said, \u201cWhy would I be afraid? I\u2019m in my neighbourhood; I\u2019m free.\u201d The middleman said, \u201cI\u2019m a friend, a special guard, I want to help.\u201d And he went back and forth between the police and the Golden Dawners. The kids started to walk away. One of them hailed a taxi and left right away. They crossed to the other side of Tsaldari street. A hit squad from Nikea arrived to join the original group of 20. A car stopped in front of the kids and asked, \u201cdo you guys know where Kefallinias street is?<\/i>\u201d<i> Later we found out that the driver was the killer. Pavlos said, \u201cthis is the street, my friend\u201d. And he turned there. Then the whole gang, together with the hit squad, around 50 people in total, began to approach them. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>How do you know about the hit squads?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>We found out about it from the case file. And that Patelis is the \u201ccell leader\u201d of Nikea. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Alright. Continue.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>When they crossed the road and the mob was approaching, Pavlos said: \u201cGuys, run.\u201d The incident took place around building number 60 on the street. But Pavlos did not run and groups of 2\u20133 men trapped him so he couldn\u2019t escape until the murderer arrived to stab him. The killer was on Xanthou street. He approached on the wrong side of the road. Further down the road, they had beaten up two other boys, Kontonikolas and Melachriopoulos. They threw Kontonikolas to the ground and he lay there, terrified. They did the same to Melachrinopoulos. They threw him down. Pavlos was alone, standing up and fighting. When the car was driving down Xanthou, four people were in it, but when the killer stabbed him, he was alone. He stopped before reaching Pavlos, the other people got out and he continued on his own.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>How far away?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>A block. How far was it? 50\u2013100 meters. The others got off on Xanthou street. There is a video of it. I haven\u2019t seen it; I couldn\u2019t bear to. They told me that he got out of the car, saw his target, got back into the car on the wrong side of the road on Tsaldari street, got out and stabbed him twice in the heart. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Where was Chrysa?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Chrysa didn\u2019t leave. She went to the police at the corner and tried to drag them there. She begged them, \u201cPlease, my friends haven\u2019t done anything wrong.\u201d The answer was, \u201cWe can\u2019t interfere, nothing is going to happen, they\u2019ll just rough them up a bit.\u201d When she finally managed to convince two police officers, it was already too late. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Did Pavlos and Roupakias fight? Do you know? Did they swear at each other?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>No, nothing. They had all trapped him until Roupakias arrived. I won\u2019t say his name again because he is a murderer. He put his arms around Pavlos and stabbed him. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What did the other 50 do then?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Before it happened, they cursed and encouraged the animal to stab Pavlos.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Could they have stopped him?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>The police had an obligation to intervene. Why would the rest have stopped him? They are Golden Dawners. What can I say?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Which of the defendants were there?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Aggos, Michalaros and Tsalikis were in Koralli. Later, Michalaros and Tsalikis joined the hit squad. Later I found out from the case file that one of the other three was Kazantzoglou. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Where did they stab him?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>In the heart. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Who told you?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>The doctor. Please don\u2019t make me say these things. The wounds were fatal, delivered by a trained killer. The doctor told us how it happened. The coroner\u2019s report confirmed it. He died on the spot after four minutes \u2013 four minutes that are of crucial importance for those of us he left behind. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Why crucial?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Because he singled out his murderer. The murderer took his time to leave the scene, even as more policemen arrived and did nothing. Pavlos lifted his shirt and said \u201cWhere are you going, man? You stabbed me and now you\u2019re leaving?\u201d<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>More policemen and patrol cars had arrived. Roupakias was already back in his car. He threw the knife on the ground when they arrested him. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>The policewoman shouted, \u201cNow you\u2019ve taken it too far. Knives and stabbings are too much.\u201d<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>When<\/i>?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Once it had already happened. Chrysa told me so.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What do you think it meant?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>That Golden Dawn works closely with the police.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Did your son know Roupakias?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>No.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Why would Roupakias have wanted to hurt him?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Because he was ordered to do so by the organisation and because he is a trained murderer. Aggos telephoned Kazantzoglou from inside Koralli. They were members of the Nikea local branch. They informed Pateli, the \u201ccell leader\u201d in Nikea; he called Lagos straight away and then sent a group text message to the other members and told them to gather at the offices of the local branch.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What is Roupakias\u2019s relationship with Golden Dawn?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>The murderer was the treasurer of the Nikea branch<\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What about Patelis?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>He is one of the five members of the murderers, one of the five members of the organisation [GDW comment: she is referring to the five-member committee that runs each local branch]. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>And Lagos?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Lagos supervises. They can\u2019t do anything without Lagos\u2019 approval.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Were all the people there members of the organisation?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Of course, they can\u2019t do anything without orders. That much is clear.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Why? What was their motive?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>They crave power; anyone who stands up to them needs to be disposed of: Anyone who is different to them has to live under the threat of their violence. That\u2019s how they are: anything that dares to move is slaughtered. I have seen a video of Patelis talking to members, where he says \u201ceverything that moves gets slaughtered\u201d. Didn\u2019t the same thing happen to Luqman? The same. They are trained murderers. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Yes, but what was their motive.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Nothing. They\u2019re just trained murderers. They are a criminal organisation. That night they were looking to make a kill and they did. They don\u2019t leave their posts without orders to do so.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>How were the 25 of them told to go there?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>By text message, as I said.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>And was Roupakias ordered to commit the murder?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Yes, at the meeting at the local branch offices.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>What was the content of the text message?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>\u201cEveryone to the local branch, now.\u201d From there, the hit squad moved towards Tsaldari street. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Do you know of other crimes that have been committed?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Luqman<\/i>. <i>I know Foivos from Faliro who was badly beaten up by Golden Dawn. And the assault on the PAME trade unionists could have resulted in fatalities \u2013 it was a fierce beating. And then Mesolongi, Meligalas and, of course, Kasidiaris slapping Kanelli \u2013 we all saw that on TV. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Which of the defendants are responsible for the direction of the organisation? <\/i>[She read out names of defendants.]<i> Do you know anything about that? What did each person do? Is there a hierarchy? What is the chain of command?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Each of them was responsible for a section. There is a hierarchy, there are members, the five members [who run branches], cell leaders. I know that Lagos gives orders. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Prosecutor:<\/b> <i>Do you know what they told them at the local branch?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>To kill.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Prosecutor:<\/b> <i>Do you know that based on the outcome? <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Yes.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Prosecutor:<\/b> <i>Was your son a specific target? Had he received any threats?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>I don\u2019t know if he received threats; I don\u2019t think so. He was known for his songs. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Prosecutor:<\/b> <i>Was there a verbal assault at Koralli?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Chrysa said there wasn\u2019t. I forgot to mention that we had no idea the bar was a Golden Dawn hangout. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Shouts from the public gallery: \u201cHe was a singer; what are you saying now?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Aggos, Michalaros and Tsalikis were already inside. We\u2019re talking about hate. These people are driven by hate. Our kids looked like they were different from them. From the structure of the organisation and the way they train their members, it seems evident that it is enough for them that our kids are different. You could tell from the way they looked that they were against Golden Dawn. I imagine the others must have said, \u201cHow dare you come here?\u201d When the kids were running, they shouted \u201cChickens, when we catch you we\u2019ll fuck you up.\u201d But the kids didn\u2019t know that it was a Golden Dawn den. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Presiding judge:<\/b> <i>Who directed them to the local branch?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Patelis, who got the order from Lagos. At 12.37am, Lagos made a phone call to Michaloliakos, so Michaloliakos must have been informed. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Deputy prosecutor:<\/b> <i>How many people were in the group of your son\u2019s friends at Koralli?<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>Three at the beginning, then another six arrived at half-time. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Deputy prosecutor:<\/b> <i>Had the other six been watching the game elsewhere?<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>I don\u2019t know.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Andreas Tzelis (counsel for the Fyssas family):<\/b> <i>Earlier you spoke of a video. What video is this?<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>Fyssa:<\/b> <i>I saw the \u201ccell leader\u201d inside the local branch offices giving orders on what the members had to do during an assault in Panagitsa [a square in Nikea, Pireaus]. He said, \u201cI just have to get the boss\u2019 \u2018ok\u2019 on this, otherwise we\u2019re not doing anything.\u201d<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>5. The videos, the photographs and their use in the trial<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Here, Tzelis asked to show the witness a video for her to comment on it. Velentza, for the defence, protested about photographs being taken by photographers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Tzelis continued, saying that the video is part of the case file, taken from Giorgos Patelis\u2019 hard drive. He asked for permission to show it to the witness. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The prosecutor intervened, saying that the video is part of evidence that will be screened in due course. The defence counsel protested that many of them cannot see the video and that Patelis\u2019 lawyer is absent. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">A few people began to shout; the presiding judge called a fifteen-minute break. After the recess, the presiding judge repeated that the video and all other evidence would be dealt with when the time comes. Following a motion put forth by the prosecutor, she agreed to allow the counsel to show the witness only still frames from the video, without sound. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Takis Zotos, counsel for the Egyptian fishermen, interjected saying that \u201cit is public evidence and we need everyone involved in the trial to see it; a projector is absolutely necessary. We need to be able to see what the witness does or does not recognise. This is an appropriate moment for the court to decide on the pending request for audiovisual equipment, a projection screen and a computer. We want everyone to see Xanthou street, to visualise the scene of the murder as described by the witness. Besides, the case file itself contains audio files. Witnesses will be examined before seeing the documents. They include recordings of police officers. The witnesses need to be in a position to tell us if they recognise the voices in these audio files.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Angelos Vrettos, counsel for to the PAME trade unionists, added that \u201cthe witnesses won\u2019t be here when the evidence is displayed\u201d. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Thanasis Kampagiannis, counsel for Abouzid Embarak, one of the Egyptian fishermen, said: \u201cThe trial should be conducted on equal terms. Our request is to be able to refer to the evidence. It is impossible to conduct a fair trial if the civil counsel does not have the opportunity to refer to the material included in the case file. Our request is grounded in case law. Witnesses show the greatest clarity when they are faced with the essence of the case. The presiding judge asked the witness what the motive for the murder was after she had testified to all that she knew. At this stage, where she is being asked to respond on the basis of her own judgment, the video has to be screened so that the witness can take it into account.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Kostas Papadakis, also for the Egyptian fishermen, referred to the code of criminal procedure. \u201cWitnesses not only relate facts, they interpret them; they judge them; they have moments of great insight. The witness may even recognise someone inside the courtroom. We all need to see what they recognise. There is a pending request before the court and that decision needs to be taken now. If the court intends to reject our request for audiovisual equipment, let it do so now; otherwise it is merely tacitly implying a rejection of our request.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">At this point, Nikos Roussopoulos, counsel for Ioannis Lagos, protested strongly that it is not up to witnesses to judge the evidence. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">After a short break, the presiding judge returned and announced that Magda Fyssa would not conclude her testimony that day. She decided to respond to the civil counsel request at the following hearing. She asked counsels to address the witness with questions that do not require documents from the case file and that the hearing continue with their remaining questions. The courtroom was in uproar. Tzelis suggested that the court be adjourned until a decision is made on the matter. Eleni Zafiriou, for the PAME trade unionists, told the presiding judge that she believed the witness was being put under psychological strain. Tzelis insisted that he wanted to ask something regarding a particular fragment found on Patelis\u2019 hard disk and which came to the investigating magistrates\u2019 attention in defendant Nikos Tsorvas\u2019 testimony. He showed the witness pictures that could not be seen by anyone else in the court. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">After a short break resulting from the commotion in the courtroom, the presiding judge adjourned the court to 6 October, at which point Fyssa will continue her testimony. <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>18th Hearing, Women\u2019s Section, Korydallos Prison, Athens, 2 October 2015 1. Court access The hearing reconfirmed that the police\u2019s new policy is to grant access to any interested citizen provided they display their identity cards. The courtroom was packed. Regarding the prospect of a change of venue, the matter was sidelined once again. 2. 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